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Should the Current Rector Fr. Tom Momberg Step Down?


Tuesday, April 20, 2010

The Continuation of the Conversation was nothing like that at all!

Yes, I was their Tom, Mark, Sarah, and the Satan calling Guy!  Did I sit next to you all?  Or was I in the Back of the room?  Did I speak out, or keep silent?  You will never know.  Sucks to not know who you can trust.  Besides I went out and talked in the Parking Lot, and E-mailed people, and called people on the phone, and oh my I am Blogging about it now!  Who the tarnation are you people to tell me or any other person "these are the rules"  No Parking Lot Discussions, No Phone Calls, No Blog's, No E-mails!  It is still a Free Country and if you did not notice once again I will spell it out for you "Y O U  A R E   N O T  M Y  M O T H E R!"  So to set the record right I have broken all your rules and the next conversation I will have with others is with the Bishop.  So good luck in stopping me and the others, you all forget what the definition of VESTRY is.  But I am happy to give you a lesson as my Professor wife with a Major in English at a Prestigious School tells her students:

Vestry - (n) vestry (in the Protestant Episcopal Church: a committee elected by the congregation to work with the churchwardens in managing the temporal affairs of the church).


So, Vestry, (Senior Warden / Junior Warden you were forced on us), based on the information above you all are elected by the Parish Members and as such "Work for us on our behalf to manage the Churches Business"  But in the case of this Vestry (not all members are grouped into this) you all will not Stand up to this Rector and tell him the Parish is fed up with the non Rectoring (need to ask my wife on this one) and complete lack of Leadership, Shepherding, and most important our inability to trust the Rector.  That he needs to Resign and allow us to begin fresh and without him.  So without further deliberation I am writing this Blog, Calling all I know, Talking in the Parking Lot, and will E-mail this to many people.  So arrest me Senior Warden, or Sargent (Junior Warden) Major!  But Freedom of Speech is a GOD Given Right, and protected in the 1st Amendment of which you cannot take away.

On the meeting or Non Meeting - You see why this blog is so useful.  No one spoke up at all and those that did were staged questions and the decree from the Senior & Junior Wardens were very clear.  Speak Up (nothing too controversial) or do not speak up and only praise the Rector.  Having Mary Glaspool was not useful.  Why not allow us to speak with her or another member alone without the Rector, Senior & Junior Warden?  Too Afraid of the outcome that they people that want the rector gone are many and willing to open up if they think the Rector and his Vestry will not rain down fire and punish them?  Of course you would do nothing like that, so that is why we will take this directly to the Bishop.  So bye-Bye for now I have to pack for Baltimore, as I drive too slow as I am old you know and we are set in our ways.  Luckily I can type (not too well) but I can use the PC to communicate even at my age.

PS: So Tom Double-Dog-Daring guy, you can unfriend me all you want as I unfriended you years ago when you pushed to sell a beloved Rectory.  So Boo to you too.  Also I was never one to back off a dare "AT THE AGE OF 5"  Grow Up Tommy Boy.

Once again "Good Triumphed over Bad"

This is a comment I have read and as usual I will post them here so you can see that all the naysayers are incorrect.  There are more of "us" than they think or will accept.  Thank you for being vocal and yet have this forum to voice your opinions with out being chastised for being anonymous.


Anonymous said...

I have not been a member of All Saints’ for as long as some of you. I am not an expert on the church hierarchies, nor do I have“inside information”. Having served on committees throughout my membership here as well as in other Episcopal churches, I would like to write about some things from my perspective.

For all of the meetings/surveys that took place during our Rector search and interim phase and with all of the feedback that had to have been collected, I was not overly impressed with the person who was hired to be our spiritual leader when I first met him and heard him preach. I told myself “He needs to be given a chance so, let’s just see how it goes”. Throughout the two plus years that our Rector has been with us I have yet to see or feel any different from when he first began. In addition to my feelings, I’ve not heard many sincere, positive comments about him and in fact have been hearing lots of negative and even shocking things. Now, after reading through the information on this blog (specifically, WORDS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM OUR RECTOR’S FORMER CHURCHES) about the improprieties that he was involved in, I am troubled. Watching with frustration as families leave the church and hearing that staff, committee leaders and members have resigned, stepped down or have been asked to step down by him or because of him, gives me even greater pause. Frankly, it makes me sick to my stomach. I have tried to maintain a Christian attitude, it is very hard when I see brothers and sisters from my church family in pain around me as a direct result of our “leader’s” behavior. With the doubt and distrust that has been growing inside me more and more as time goes on and as I see the service attendance numbers dropping, it is very hard to believe that All Saints’ is headed in a good direction.

Thank you to the blogger for creating this forum – it has been an interesting and enlightening read.

In faith - God be with us All,

A Struggling but Surviving member of All Saints’

Saturday, April 17, 2010

All I can Say is "Amen!"

To Whom Ever wrote this, Thank you as it speaks volumes.  Below is a Comment I have just read:



Anonymous said...




I have been an INVOLVED member of All Saints' for many years, however I choose to remain anonymous so that I may say some things that I feel the blogger has been too kind to point out.

I must wonder if all you naysayers have actually read all that is on this blog or if you simply spoke your mind without thinking based on the title. The latter sounds most probable.

As far as "unchristian and unepiscopalian" goes, the christian community at large tends to hide behind lies like yours. Many christians twist God's Word to suit their ends and hide behind a shield from that which they are afraid to face-the TRUTH. It has been my understanding from the decades I've spent as an Episcopalian, that Jesus has taught us to always love our neighbors as ourselves, our enemies included. Your words and those of the other naysayers on this blog are indeed a direct contradiction of Christ's teachings. Explain how you can call yourself a Christian when you don't follow the teachings of Christ?

As for the cowardly comments I've seen I have chosen to remain anonymous. So too did one of the naysayers. I can only imagine based on the level of verbal slander that has been shown here, that the blogger of this site chose to remain anonymous to avoid such libelous ridicule! I have yet to read ONE INSTANCE of name calling or bullying on this website from the blogger. The only such comments have come from the so called "Christians".

I commend you blogger for your valiant efforts. May all the naysayers take heed.

In Christ,
Anonymous Involved Concerned All Saints' Parishioner

Wednesday, April 14, 2010

"Let the Games Begin"

Another Reply I will post below!


Mark & Sara Gibson said...

To whoever you are,

We are Mark and Sara Gibson, parishioners and leaders at All Saints’ for over 16 years.

This appalling collection of rambling anonymous rants is nothing more than a cowardly, gutless, and unchristian effort to besmirch someone with whom you have a gripe. Free speech, as you might like to call it, stops at namelessly throwing insults and lies at people you don’t like. Indeed, this nonsense borders on libel.

We’re truly sad that you feel your special needs are not being met, and that you have personal issues with All Saints’ leadership. But your issues are your issues, not All Saints’. Trying to foment an insurrection will do nothing but drag us all down with you. We suggest you seek counseling instead to find the root of your deep-seated and unhealthy anger.

However, The Reverend Tom Momberg is rector of All Saints’, and he has our full support. He came to us through an open and transparent process, and has been thoroughly vetted by All Saints’ and by our diocese. We invite you to get right with it and cease this silliness. Our red door is for coming and going.


Mark and Sara Gibson

P.S. – you need to check your spelling - “Satin” is a fabric.



It's about time you all spoke up.  Yes, I know Satin is a Fabric but I wanted to get the posting out & I did fail to properly spell check.  But with that said you both are two I would not call well informed.  There are more that just myself that have the same feelings as I have expressed.  Only I have put them in writing.  You both are blowhards and I dismiss you all together.  As far as lies, what lies have I told?  Point them out but again remember you live in a glass house just as I do.  To be so angry about just words is so childish.  The facts about the transparent process is a joke, in fact the data from Trinity is in open publication and that is nothing to dismiss.  That was never told to the Parish Members, what was being hidden that we could not know about that?  Why hide the fact he misused funds form the church?  Call it what you want but in my many years of life THEFT IS THEFT.  Or are you Ok with that kind of thing from a Priest?  If so, where did you get your vales?  We (not the parish membership mind you but a few snookered persons) brought him here under the auspice we were getting one person who in turn was totally different.  If my memory serves me right (I am very old) you two were on the search, and or selection committees (or both)?  Boy oh boy I would not want to admit I was taken in by the Rector at all.  If you were part of this process you should be held responsible for this Parishes falling membership.  Or did you over look those facts I laid out that we have lost members to the tune of about 25% to other Episcopal Churches, and that we have gone from a Resource Church to a Program Church in two short years?  Did you also forget the fact that all we got as a Vision was "Jesus"!  Two years to come up with that, if he was so "special" we should have had that vision six months into his being here.  Not Two Yeas Later!  Call me what you want but you two need the counseling.  No seriously you two do need it from what I have seen and now read from you both.  I have had mine (counseling) many years ago and I know I am a bit crazy, so again Sticks & Stones as my very much grown children used to say.  I am happy he has your full support, but that still does not make it correct.  As far a vetted, I can tell you things the Diocese has told him not to do but he has done anyway.  So he even thumbs his nose at them.  Someone I want to support?  Not likely!  I will support a true leader, a true visionary, a true Shepherd of the Church.  Just not this one!  Where were you when the current Senior Warden (not at that time) pushed to have the last Rector removed Out of All Saints?  Did you support him as well?  Did your Support make a hill of beans then?  Looks like it did not.  Or did you support her and her efforts to remove him?  One would have to question your loyalty.  So about the Red Door, when you leave do not let it hit YOU on the way out as I have been here a long time and I see your departure long before mine sport.  So sit back and continue to drink the  Kool-Aid.  You two are special thanks for playing.

Tuesday, April 13, 2010

"Must have hit a Nerve!" or as most would say "The Truth Hurts!"

It looks as though some supporters of the Rector have spoken out.  One who would not leave a name, and another that did.  Thank you both for your time and trouble, but this is a format to allow any one the time to have her or his voice heard.  So in the words of one of my small children "Sticks & Stones" you know the rest.  I have been called many things, but Satan!  Wow that is a stretch, even by God's standards.  So the question is, "Why are you so angry at me?"  The Rector is the one that is doing all the wrong things, and how do you know he and those that I have spoken of have not already had the communications and nothing has been resolved?  You don't, but I do as someone who has heard this from them and experienced it first hand.  So if you are angry then open your eyes, and look around, why are so many families departing our church?  If you cannot see it then you are being taken in by him and have had more cool aid then I care to stomach.  Get real, do you think things are just peachy?  Think again cupcake!  So in fairness to all who read this I am including the replies I have just read:


2 comments:



Anonymous said...
Who are you and why would I e-mail anything to you? If you are so sure of yourself then why don't you sign your name? Who gives you the right? Who are these members of all Saints who have to go to you... Satan often takes on the guise of the rightous...so, Satan, what say you?
First off the persons that I speak of do not have to come to me, we all have come together with the same common goal and that is to remove the Rector just like Nancy (Current Senior Warden) did herself.  Also, God gives me the right to speak my mind, and on the subject of God, he said "he that has no sin cast the first stone", careful you live in the glass house too.  And trust me you are not so Anonymous, I know who you are...........  Besides I have not once slandered any person, or called them names.  You on the other hand have done so in one posting.  Nice job!  These members you ask are typical Episcopal Parish Members that remain in the background not obvious in the work they do, and the process we are undertaking.  One thought on this Satan thing.  If you call me this, then what name do you have for the Current Senior Warden?  She had the biggest hand in getting Rector Seal removed?  Did you know that?  So, I am Satan?  Wow!  I can say she is solely responsible for starting this Parishes down turn by her and others in her party going to the Bishop and working to get Fr. Jim to retire.  Or in other words Step Down as we are requesting Rector Momberg to do.  Grow UP!


Anonymous said...
ok, I am not anonymous - I just don't know how this works. This is Niki Thrash - a member of All Saints, a member of the Leadership and this blog is a waste. What kind of coward are you not to say who you are but to stand off pontificating and judging others --- I wonder.
There is nothing Cowardly about this Blog, it is a simple format to voice opinions, you know Freedom Of Speech and all that.  If you are so high and mighty then tell me how you can sit back and allow this person to destroy this Parish.  Wait, I know you have been bought and paid for by being placed in the POWER POSITION you have in the Church!  Boy almost did not get that one.  Good luck in the future as we move onto our conversations with the Bishop in the next step.  Big word pontificating, but how do you know I have not spoken up in other formats at the Church, or written letters to the Rector asking to resolve issues, or had meetings with him to discuss the issues or my family has not attempted to resolve issues?  You can state this 25 cent word all you want, but truth be told, your Blinded by the Rector's so called "charm and woe is me personality", and the POWER TRIP you currently are on courtesy of him.  How do you know I am not a Leader of the Church, just because I am writing this Blog there is no reason to think other wise is there?

In closing, thank you for your comments.  But it still remains 10 to 2 in favor of his removal.  "What say you All Saints"  We hit a Soft Spot!

Monday, April 5, 2010

"Who gives them the Right?"

I say to you all,

Who gives members of the Staff, Vestry, So Called Leaders of the Church to tell others to stay silent?  Who died and made them boss?  If a Leader of the Church is not responsible enough to stand up and say what is right or what is wrong then they need not be in the Leadership Position.  This is a free world not the Senior / Junior Warden, or Rector Momberg's Dictatorship!  Leaders of this Church, in the Staff, Vestry, Ministries, other leaders all have the right to stand up and make it heard that they do not agree with what is going on in OUR CHURCH!  If any one told me "You better be careful and not make waves in this regime, or you might be fired, or dismissed, or asked to resign a position."  I would challenge them to the max as they are not my Parents, they hold no special control over me, and certainly not the Rector, Senior Warden, or for a matter of fact the Vestry.  It is our Church and we should feel free to speak our minds.  That is what makes the Episcopal Church so glorious, we all have varying opinions, and perspectives but in the long run at the end of the day we all agree that we are here because of those differences and the respect and love we have for one another.  If you are one of those persons that have been told to clam up and not rock the boat because you could be Terminated or dismissed.  Please E-Mail me your Concerns/Questions/Statements and I will voice them for you and any others who feel threatened.

"What Say You All Saints?"  Ready to stand up and speak your own mind without fear?

Sunday, April 4, 2010

"Christ Is Risen"

A glorious day in knowing that (although they were C.P.E.,  Christmas, Palm Sunday, Easter attendees) visitors, we had in the GH 225 attendees.  Glorious day as we heard Fr. Tommy preach on the day the lord Jesus Christ rose from the grave and showed us there is a God and that he was that God incarnate into a Human Form (Jesus Christ) to save us all by death on the Cross and rising three days later.  It was truly inspirational in the sermon given.  Then, during the Eucharist and at Communion a Leader of the Church asked another parishioner how many there were at the Service.  There were 225 they said, then the Leader said "Too bad there are not that many every Sunday, but someone is got to leave before that happens!"  You know the message is getting out and the word is "Rector it is time you departed All Saints."

Even on this glorious day the word is herd, and yet there are so many of you all still not willing to stand up to the Senior Warden, Junior Warden, and Vestry and say, "TIME TO GO RECTOR MOMBERG".  We need to move on and begin the rebuilding process without you or the Puppet Regime you have built.

"WHAT SAY YOU ALL SAINTS?"  Will you join us and take back your Church?

P.S. - Heard another member of a Committee/Ministry has resigned, the bleeding continues!

Saturday, April 3, 2010

"A Conversation about our Vision"

Funny how things work out.  From this perspective you all know what my take on the 2-year journey our Rector took to come to the enlightened message "Jesus Is our Vision".  Looks like a Senior Leader in this Church approached the Senior Warden and asked "Seriously, after two years this is all we get?"  "Jesus is our Vision?"  In response to this the current Senior Warden stated "He is a visionary!"

STOP THE PRESSES ~ NEWS FLASH:
Frederick Md., All Saints Episcopal Church - It has just been announced that the Current Rector has set the Vision of this Historic Church in Down Town Frederick MD.  We go live to the action as the Current Senior Warden tells a shocked audience that "Yes, Jesus Is Our Vision" and this comes from the visionary Rector Momberg.  When asked by this audience "are you kidding us with this?  It took him two years to come up with this?  She had no other comment, but to say, "He is a Visionary!"  More to come from All Saints as we unravel this deep and well thought out Vision, from an enlightened Rector.

Sorry again to say, "I am not" (and there are many of us that think the same way), impressed with a vision that again is the foundation of Every Church! I think he is visionary, and the hallucinations he has are no where correct in order to lead this Church.  This is a Rector that uses others published works to quote in Sermons and uses a Professors theory to lead the Church by Pastoring (Shepherding) to the Leaders that will Shepherd the rest of the Parish Members.  In short "Trickle Down Pastoral Care"  Sounds like those on the Bottom will get less and less like a Pyramid Scheme.  "WHAT SAY YOU ALL SAINTS?"  Do we continue with this Leaders inability to get us to the next level?  Or do we take a Stand on the 18th of April and tell the Rector & Senior Warden & Junior Warden, and Vestry Enough is Enough, remove the Rector and lets start over Fresh with a renewed spirit to find and call a Rector worth of the title "Rector Of All Saints Church, Frederick MD."

"Who Will be Next to Step Down? Because of this Rector"

I ask you all this question because there is a very real pattern going on right before your eyes.  That pattern is the fact that Senior Leadership Persons in the Ministries of All Saints Church are stepping down.  Yes, I said Senior Leaders, in the likes of the Alter Guild Chair, and the Acolytes Chair & Assisting Person.  The reasons for this departure is not quite clear but I can tell you reliable sources have told me it is and I will repeat this IT IS DUE TO THE ISSUES WITH THE RECTOR, not to mention the fact the Senior Warden and now the Junior Warden (The Hand Puppets of the Rector)  are continuing to support this Rector even though he is truly not a Leader, not Spiritually Leading, Absent, and harassing.  The latter is for another Blog on another day.  But in this case we are loosing the solid foundation of our Loved Ministries Leaders because of this Rector.  His inability to communicate clearly, or even at all on matters as important as FLOWERS FOR A FUNERAL!  This is again a sign that when the Leaders of the Miniseries in a church start to resign it is not because they want to.  Look at what happened to Lynn.  It is because they are tired of dealing with the Rector, Senior Warden, Junior Warden, and their B.S.  How would you like to be in a position that you had no direction, no communication, no support, from the so called leader.  If this were a paying job, you would seek work in a more conducive environment where you were welcomed, supported, and appreciated.  But this is a Church and as such you do it out of commitment to the Church and Christ Jesus.  So unless there is another factor I have not seen, this all points back to the Inept Leadership of the Rector.  It is sad that the Rectors only words to these individuals were "Ok, I will look at Appointing a Person not currently active in this Ministry to the Chair to take over!"  WHAT ARE YOU NUTS Rector?  This is the last thing to do, you need a person who knows the in's and out's of these Ministries to step in at a time of Change to keep harmony and a sense of smooth transition.  Not a totally clueless person.  This is not what a true leader does, a true leader attempts to keep the top talent and tries to fix the issues, but in the case of this Rector he is not a Leader (has not one leadership skill that I have seen other than to bamboozle others), he cares less about the talent that has served this church for so long, he cares more about placing his Hand Puppets in positions of Power, he is in full denial about everything that is wrong (esp. when it is all at his doing), he is protected by the Senior and Junior Wardens and the VESTRY Members (how much farther can we continue to spiral downward?).   WHAT SAY YOU ALL SAINTS"  Are we going to sit back and allow this Rector to continue to not Lead and to push out those that have given many hours of Service to this Church Out?